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9 Jul 2025

C/17/199273 · Request for provisional evidence, Leeuwarden

Hearing on the request to hear experts under oath

District Court (Leeuwarden), Judge J.A. Werkema

Part of the public record of the case

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Transcript of the 9 July 2025 court hearing on the three applicants' evidence request. It records each side's arguments and the dispute over press recording.

Cheat sheet

  1. The judge limited the hearing to one question — should the experts be heard so the applicants can assess their case.
  2. Stassen objected to the press rules that only let accredited journalists record; the judge allowed only an audio recording.
  3. Stassen argued the experts are independent and that only questioning under oath could test their views.
  4. The State said the request is barred during pending proceedings and pointed to the scientific consensus on Covid-19 vaccines.
  5. The journalists' lawyer argued editors-in-chief cannot be personally liable and warned of a chilling effect on the press.
  6. The judge promised a decision in six weeks.

Key passages · underlined

That is also the only thing we will address today. It is solely about the question: should experts or expert-witnesses be heard so that you can make an assessment?
Why it matters The judge set the narrow scope — this hearing was not about whether the injections caused harm.Page 3 · Bailiwick News copy
The scientific consensus is that Covid-19 exists, that there was a pandemic, and that the vaccines against Covid are safe and effective.
Why it matters The State's lawyer states the government position the experts would challenge.Page 14 · Bailiwick News copy
Moreover, the evidence sought contributes to a chilling effect on press freedom, which is an equitable reason to reject it.
Why it matters The journalists' defence — suing editors personally pressures the press.Page 13 · Bailiwick News copy
if you, as judge, reject this request, which I do not expect, but if you did, then you must reckon with the fact that the same blood will be on your hands as on respondents’.
Why it matters Stassen's closing words to the judge, which he repeated in his press release after the refusal.Page 20 · Bailiwick News copy

Every defendant denies the claims, and the court has not ruled on them. Allegations are the claimants' pleaded positions, quoted as theirs. This is analysis and commentary, not legal advice. Interest of Justice is not a party to the case.

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